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Nightingale

parKristin Hannah
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Bunny
5,0 sur 5 étoilesWomen's War story
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 27 octobre 2022
This story is about two women in France, one of whom becomes a resistant, and the other who stays at home to look after her family while her husband is held prisoner of war. Her house is taken over by a Nazi Captain who turns out to be generous in times of strife. It keeps you interested from beginning to end. The characters are psychologically convincing and, of course, there is some adventure. It's easy reading and will surely suit many readers.
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Marmotte
1,0 sur 5 étoilesI'm furious at this book. Often historically wrong, misleading and disrespectful.
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 12 août 2019
This is going to be a (very) unpopular opinion.

I DNF'd this because I am angry. I DNF'd 400 pages in, in a 514 pages book. That's how angry I am.

This book has many flaws.

It is predictable. Its plot is pretty much every book and TV show and movie set in Europe during WW2 boiled down to a burnt crust without much taste left in it.

The writing was... lacking. There were repetitions of the exact same things two pages apart : the same morning, the same thought. And if it was intended as a way of highlighting the monotonous days of the Occupation, that was failed. I was just the same thing retold without proper editing.
The relationships between the characters were reasonably interesting, especially between Vianne and Beck or Isabelle and her father, but more often it was lacklustre. That's a shame : the two main characters show strength in two completely different ways and that's one of the things that made me genuinely like some aspects of this book. I also really liked that the Germans weren't depicted all over as monsters. Many Germans were hard believers of nazism, which is why they actually came to power and were followed by most of german society, but most people in the Wehrmacht and even the SS were conscripted, regular people. Some of which didn't care or didn't like the nazi ideology.

However, what truly made me dislike this book were the truly shocking historical mistakes in a book that overall doesn't actually contain much "history". I'm a regular french history teacher, but any french person or even subpar historian could have pointed these out.
These mistakes range from the ridiculous to inferring frankly dangerously simplistic ideas by way of sensationalism and carelessness.
And if there are two things you can't be careless about, it's WW2 and the Holocaust.

Historical fiction plays with history, and that's great.
Believe it or not, I'm even favourable to anachronism changes to details in favour of a more balanced plot or just poetic license. I completely get why most actresses don't pluck their brows then playing a mediaeval queen, or son't show their nipples win a movie set during the Renaissance. I absolutely loved the fact that Brad Pitt killed Hitler in Inglorious Basterds. That aliens were somehow involved in the invention of tools by apes in 2001 : A Space Odyssey. That every adaptation of Arthurian legends show faeries and completely anachronistic but gorgeous armours. I wasn't even mad at Prince of Persia, ffs. Well, I was, but for other reasons than historical f*ckups.

What happened here owes nothing to poetic license. It is, as I said earlier, laziness.

First, there were tiny but telling things :
- The character's first name, "Vianne", could not have been given at that time. France was very conservative and invented names were forbidden by law until the 1960s. She should have been named Vivianne, or Vianney if she'd been a guy. A primary-school teacher and her postman husband could not have afforded Bollinger and would DEFINITELY not have popped a bottle just for a picnic (!!!).
- Macarons were NOT widespread in France until they were popularized by Pierre Hermé at the beginning of the 2000's, so you couldn't have found any outside the city-centre of Paris and maybe one of two shops in each big urban center.
- Poor people like Rachel would DEFINITELY not have baked canelés : they are from the Bordeaux region and were not widespread in France until the 2000s and need a lot of very expensive vanilla to be made. So, no.
- Apartments near the Eiffel Tower were already VERY expensive even in the 1940s. A bookseller couldn't have afforded to live there.
- The Comédie Française would NOT be taking art out of the Louvre. The Comédie Française or "Français" is the national theater company. Why would they be in charge of conveying artwork when the Musées Nationaux, created during the Révolution, are in charge of those things ?
- The Pyrénées are not "a thousand-meters" (=3,300 feet) high. They are almost three-thousand meters high. And if you want to cross on foot to Spain near St-Jean-de-Luz (and, lucky me, I've done that), you'll need to climb to almost 2,400 meters (=7,900 feet) high. That's quite a difference. I'm not even mentioning that you can't do this in a day/night. Not while leaving on foot from St Jean de Luz. You'd need three or four days at least, even while walking at a gruelling pace.

And then, it became more serious :
- The collabos are presented as a mean, evil minority. They were not. Most of French people were actually collaborating, some more zealous than others. Some were mean. Some didn't have a choice.
- The Résistance is presented as very nice, competent, united and heroic. They indeed were heroic and most of them were competent people. However, this completely overshadows the fact that Communists didn't get involved in the Résistance until 1941, since the USSR was still allied to Germany. They joined after Operation Barbarossa, when Hitler suddenly decided to launch an attack against the Soviet Union in what maybe remains his biggest strategical mistake, and the USSR decided the Nazis were the enemy, after all. The résistants were not white, fluffy and naive cute little lambs : some of the actions of the Résistance implied bombing, endangering or killing innocent bystanders and often torturing Germans or Frenchs if need be.

And then, some of those issues range from the very serious to the outright scandalous :

- Antisemitism from the French population is NEVER EVEN REFERRED TO. Why do you think those laws passed without anyone complaining ? Who do you think designed, printed and financed this reclusive antisemitic campaigns ? French society has been (and sadly, still is, in a lesser extent) very antisemitic since the Middle Ages. That has not stopped and actually became worse during the 19th and 20th centuries. In 1939, the anti-Jew sentiment was as high as it had ever been.

- The book shows antisemitism as beginning after the 1940 defeat, inferring those policies were passed under german pressure. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Almost all the antisemitic laws (forbidding Jews from being state workers, from being teachers, doctors, lawyers, shopkeepers, doing public art and so on) were decided by the French government on its own. The Germans never asked this, and French people at best ignored and mostly supported these campaigns. The deportation of the french Jews was VOLUNTEERED by the Vichy government. This has been proven and proven again and confirmed many times by every new historical research on the subject.

- The Vélodrome d'Hiver Round-Up is presented as conducted by the french police, and it was, but the only two policemen Isabelle talks to about it (as if they were going to openly tell a random girl in the street that the people they're gathering would be deported...) are almost crying and saying they are only "following orders". First, it's a freaking dangerous and disgusting way to justify the actions of those poor, poor policemen, crying while they lead people to their deaths. (Just NO)
And second, IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE. ALL 5,000 POLICEMEN INVOLVED IN THE VELODROME D'HIVER WERE BLOODY VOLUNTEERS. Even if not intended as such, this is such a disgusting revisionist way of presenting historical facts that I frankly want to send a very rude letter to the editor.

I wondered why this book hadn't been translated into French since people here are always very interested by World War Two and the Occupation. Now I get why. Not one french editing company would touch this with a ten-foot pole. And they are right not to.
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Bunny
5,0 sur 5 étoiles Women's War story
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 27 octobre 2022
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This story is about two women in France, one of whom becomes a resistant, and the other who stays at home to look after her family while her husband is held prisoner of war. Her house is taken over by a Nazi Captain who turns out to be generous in times of strife. It keeps you interested from beginning to end. The characters are psychologically convincing and, of course, there is some adventure. It's easy reading and will surely suit many readers.
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Thierry Laffin
4,0 sur 5 étoiles Copy of the letter sent to Mrs. Hannah, explaining why the 5th star is missing, because of historical mistakes (4 listed below)
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 2 octobre 2017
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CAREFUL : some spoiling points

SUBJECT : A huge thanks … and some historical corrections

Dear Kristin,

I thank you very much for your nice novel “Nightingale”.

I am French, born in 1962, seventeen years after the Nazi defeat. 17 years… an eternity for my children. Hard to imagine now ; it’s no more than the span of time since the 11th of September.
My father, born in 1910, had precise memories of the Great War and was called for duty for the second one. He told me a lot about these times and we have some “Justes” (Righteous among the Nations) in our family.
In light of the above, I spotted out some passages of your novel that you might want to adjust for a later edition. Some are details of no importance, others are …
Thanks again for your very nice work. I hope you won’t feel offended by my suggestions. My sources are at your disposal if needed.
Best regards,
Thierry Laffin
1) Page 23 of the St Martin edition. A tiny detail to begin with. Antoine Mauriac is called by mobilization order, goes to the train station, and buys “their tickets..(…) and led them to the train… third class”. It’s not clear if it’s for him or his family.
Called for duty soldiers, sometime poor, don’t have to buy train tickets. The mobilization leaflet is a road order that can be given as a transportation voucher. Or exchanged for a free-ticket. Such is the case for most call forms even during peace times.
Besides, since Antoine is an officer, the rule was to travel first Class, separate from privates. Not only to be more comfortable, but also for the peace of mind of the soldiers themselves.

2) Page 58 : The village of Carriveau is supposed to be located in Touraine area. The elementary school where Vianne Mauriac works as a teacher is described as stables of a former Manor house that “(…) has been bombed during the Great War and never rebuilt”.
Touraine is located in the center-west of France, about 250 km south-west of Paris. 300 km to the nearest point reached by the German army. Indeed, Touraine has been bombed during the Second World War, but not during the first one.

3) Marc de Champlain, Rachel de Champlain’s husband, never returns from POW camp. The story suggests that the reason might be because he is Jewish (?).
It’s possible that Marc died in his POW camp, unlike Antoine Mauriac who returned, but it is unlikely.
Why ? It may seem surprising, but the safest place for a Jewish adult during the WWII was allies POW camps. Because of the Geneva convention, Germans neither killed nor moved the Jewish soldier POW’s to concentration camps. Even if it was rather easy to do.
Conversely, Germans did not respect this treaty for Russian POW’s (allegedly because Moscow refused to sign it) and for Polish POW’s for instance (allegedly because, although Poland signed it, this country was not considered a State anymore, which made the signature obsolete !).
It is more probable that Marc should have been the only one to survive the war in his family.

4) Page 122 : The scene that describe the first encounter between Sophie Mauriac and a Resistance underground group, contains implausible points.

The group leader Henri de Navarre (not really a low social class name…) is allegedly a Communist…

Let’s remember a fact. Staline almost achieved a feat, by making people believe that the main enemy for Nazis, from the beginning until the fall of Berlin was Soviet Union and communism. Indeed, Russia greatly contributed to Nazism final defeat, but they began the war as… allies !
In France, the Communist Party has done its best to erase memory of the 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, also known as the Nazi–Soviet Pact.

That might have created painful and cornelian situation for French some communists but in 1940, Nazis and “Bolshevik” (as your hero calls them) were slaughtering the Polish people by tacit accord. The Katyn massacre, for instance, took place in May 1940.

The Communist Party was against the French war effort and its leader (Maurice Thorez) even deserted the French army in September 1939, following Moscow orders to avoid fighting the Germans.

Very rare were active organized communist French groups or actions to be found until the end of 1940 or spring 1941 (15th of May Call). The real communist fight began with the Barbarossa operation (22nd june 1941).

In your novel, the scene where Sophie meets and is recruited by Henri de Navarre takes place in summer 1940, one year before. Is Henri de Navarre initiative an isolated one ? If so, it is very unlikely that a non communist group would have accepted a communist leader. And communists did not mix with other groups either.

So the scene is not plausible and gives credit to one of the main lie of WWII.

The fact that Henri de Navarre, after some minutes of discussion with Isabelle, a rookie recruit, is quite forthright in naming the secret “Musée de l’Homme” Group, is also highly unlikely.
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5,0 sur 5 étoiles im heartbroken
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 21 août 2022
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I am not a big reader. I dont read much.
This book made me sob.
Cant wait for the movie.
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Marmotte
1,0 sur 5 étoiles I'm furious at this book. Often historically wrong, misleading and disrespectful.
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 12 août 2019
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This is going to be a (very) unpopular opinion.

I DNF'd this because I am angry. I DNF'd 400 pages in, in a 514 pages book. That's how angry I am.

This book has many flaws.

It is predictable. Its plot is pretty much every book and TV show and movie set in Europe during WW2 boiled down to a burnt crust without much taste left in it.

The writing was... lacking. There were repetitions of the exact same things two pages apart : the same morning, the same thought. And if it was intended as a way of highlighting the monotonous days of the Occupation, that was failed. I was just the same thing retold without proper editing.
The relationships between the characters were reasonably interesting, especially between Vianne and Beck or Isabelle and her father, but more often it was lacklustre. That's a shame : the two main characters show strength in two completely different ways and that's one of the things that made me genuinely like some aspects of this book. I also really liked that the Germans weren't depicted all over as monsters. Many Germans were hard believers of nazism, which is why they actually came to power and were followed by most of german society, but most people in the Wehrmacht and even the SS were conscripted, regular people. Some of which didn't care or didn't like the nazi ideology.

However, what truly made me dislike this book were the truly shocking historical mistakes in a book that overall doesn't actually contain much "history". I'm a regular french history teacher, but any french person or even subpar historian could have pointed these out.
These mistakes range from the ridiculous to inferring frankly dangerously simplistic ideas by way of sensationalism and carelessness.
And if there are two things you can't be careless about, it's WW2 and the Holocaust.

Historical fiction plays with history, and that's great.
Believe it or not, I'm even favourable to anachronism changes to details in favour of a more balanced plot or just poetic license. I completely get why most actresses don't pluck their brows then playing a mediaeval queen, or son't show their nipples win a movie set during the Renaissance. I absolutely loved the fact that Brad Pitt killed Hitler in Inglorious Basterds. That aliens were somehow involved in the invention of tools by apes in 2001 : A Space Odyssey. That every adaptation of Arthurian legends show faeries and completely anachronistic but gorgeous armours. I wasn't even mad at Prince of Persia, ffs. Well, I was, but for other reasons than historical f*ckups.

What happened here owes nothing to poetic license. It is, as I said earlier, laziness.

First, there were tiny but telling things :
- The character's first name, "Vianne", could not have been given at that time. France was very conservative and invented names were forbidden by law until the 1960s. She should have been named Vivianne, or Vianney if she'd been a guy. A primary-school teacher and her postman husband could not have afforded Bollinger and would DEFINITELY not have popped a bottle just for a picnic (!!!).
- Macarons were NOT widespread in France until they were popularized by Pierre Hermé at the beginning of the 2000's, so you couldn't have found any outside the city-centre of Paris and maybe one of two shops in each big urban center.
- Poor people like Rachel would DEFINITELY not have baked canelés : they are from the Bordeaux region and were not widespread in France until the 2000s and need a lot of very expensive vanilla to be made. So, no.
- Apartments near the Eiffel Tower were already VERY expensive even in the 1940s. A bookseller couldn't have afforded to live there.
- The Comédie Française would NOT be taking art out of the Louvre. The Comédie Française or "Français" is the national theater company. Why would they be in charge of conveying artwork when the Musées Nationaux, created during the Révolution, are in charge of those things ?
- The Pyrénées are not "a thousand-meters" (=3,300 feet) high. They are almost three-thousand meters high. And if you want to cross on foot to Spain near St-Jean-de-Luz (and, lucky me, I've done that), you'll need to climb to almost 2,400 meters (=7,900 feet) high. That's quite a difference. I'm not even mentioning that you can't do this in a day/night. Not while leaving on foot from St Jean de Luz. You'd need three or four days at least, even while walking at a gruelling pace.

And then, it became more serious :
- The collabos are presented as a mean, evil minority. They were not. Most of French people were actually collaborating, some more zealous than others. Some were mean. Some didn't have a choice.
- The Résistance is presented as very nice, competent, united and heroic. They indeed were heroic and most of them were competent people. However, this completely overshadows the fact that Communists didn't get involved in the Résistance until 1941, since the USSR was still allied to Germany. They joined after Operation Barbarossa, when Hitler suddenly decided to launch an attack against the Soviet Union in what maybe remains his biggest strategical mistake, and the USSR decided the Nazis were the enemy, after all. The résistants were not white, fluffy and naive cute little lambs : some of the actions of the Résistance implied bombing, endangering or killing innocent bystanders and often torturing Germans or Frenchs if need be.

And then, some of those issues range from the very serious to the outright scandalous :

- Antisemitism from the French population is NEVER EVEN REFERRED TO. Why do you think those laws passed without anyone complaining ? Who do you think designed, printed and financed this reclusive antisemitic campaigns ? French society has been (and sadly, still is, in a lesser extent) very antisemitic since the Middle Ages. That has not stopped and actually became worse during the 19th and 20th centuries. In 1939, the anti-Jew sentiment was as high as it had ever been.

- The book shows antisemitism as beginning after the 1940 defeat, inferring those policies were passed under german pressure. THAT IS NOT TRUE. Almost all the antisemitic laws (forbidding Jews from being state workers, from being teachers, doctors, lawyers, shopkeepers, doing public art and so on) were decided by the French government on its own. The Germans never asked this, and French people at best ignored and mostly supported these campaigns. The deportation of the french Jews was VOLUNTEERED by the Vichy government. This has been proven and proven again and confirmed many times by every new historical research on the subject.

- The Vélodrome d'Hiver Round-Up is presented as conducted by the french police, and it was, but the only two policemen Isabelle talks to about it (as if they were going to openly tell a random girl in the street that the people they're gathering would be deported...) are almost crying and saying they are only "following orders". First, it's a freaking dangerous and disgusting way to justify the actions of those poor, poor policemen, crying while they lead people to their deaths. (Just NO)
And second, IT'S NOT F*CKING TRUE. ALL 5,000 POLICEMEN INVOLVED IN THE VELODROME D'HIVER WERE BLOODY VOLUNTEERS. Even if not intended as such, this is such a disgusting revisionist way of presenting historical facts that I frankly want to send a very rude letter to the editor.

I wondered why this book hadn't been translated into French since people here are always very interested by World War Two and the Occupation. Now I get why. Not one french editing company would touch this with a ten-foot pole. And they are right not to.
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Anne-Marie Cavillon
5,0 sur 5 étoiles Héroïnes
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 8 avril 2021
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Très belle histoire de femmes, d'héroïnes, qui nous oblige à nous poser la terrible question : "qu'aurait je fait dans les mêmes circonstances ?"
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giada
5,0 sur 5 étoiles Loved it!
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 14 février 2021
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Refreshing to have a female point of view in occupied France. I couldn't put it down! A must-read for anyone who loves WWII fiction.
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Diana White
5,0 sur 5 étoiles Wonderful
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 30 mai 2020
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This is a really good read. I couldn’t put it down. I live in France so could really feel the landscape. The characters were well portrayed and the story was captivating.
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Cooking Mama
5,0 sur 5 étoiles A Must Read
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 14 février 2017
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The best book I have read in 2 years since I Am Pilgrim. I was hooked from the start, felt the plight of each of the main characters as though I was living alongside them. A fantastic glimpse into how truly ghastly and horrendous life was in WW2 for those in France
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Amjad
5,0 sur 5 étoiles Thanks
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 10 janvier 2021
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Good thanks
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J. Manning
1,0 sur 5 étoiles Nightingale
Commenté en France 🇫🇷 le 7 juin 2020
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The lack of research for the background of this story completely spoils the book for any reader who has a knowledge of life in France. Here are just a few of the errors:
- No girl would have been named 'Vianne' at this time, she
would have been called 'Vivianne'.
- A primary school teacher and a postman wouldn't drink
Bollinger at a picnic in pre-war France !
- French people would not eat 'peas floating in butter' !
- Macarons would only have been found in a chic patisserie
in Paris at that time.
- A teacher wouldn't have silk stockings in pre-war France.
- Canneles are not from this region and wouldn't have been
home-made there !
etc. etc. etc.
I find it disrespectful that the author failed to document this era before writing the story. The historical errors are also numerous and the author seems to have written the book based on a patchwork of events taken from here and there.
The courage of all those who fought to save us from the Nazi monster deserved more from this author.
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